Alaina Wis: Voice & Authenticity

Ever wondered what happens when AI meets authentic human creativity? This week, we sit down with professional voice actor Alaina Wis, who's brought characters to life in major video games like Starfield and Skyrim, and voiced commercials for brands like Google, Amazon, and Toyota.

What You'll Discover:

• How AI is actually HELPING voice actors find better creative partnerships (spoiler: it's not what you think!)
• Why brands are choosing human voices over AI - even when the AI sounds "good enough"
• The wild world of video game voice acting (including Alaina's hilarious zombie moaning session)
• What a typical day looks like for a working voice actor (hint: 20-25 auditions daily!)

Laugh-Out-Loud Moments:

• Naila attempts her "professional podcast voice" and immediately gets roasted
• Disney princess rankings get serious (Team Rapunzel vs Team Ariel!)
• Accent showdown: Mid-Atlantic madness with questionable attempts
• Quinn's surprisingly solid Bill Clinton impression emerges

Industry Insights:

• The ongoing SAG-AFTRA strike affecting major gaming companies
• How remote recording opened global opportunities for voice talent
• Why acting training is non-negotiable for gaming voice work
• The future of interactive entertainment and narrative-driven games

Alaina shares her journey from traditional studio sessions to building a thriving remote business, proving that creativity and authenticity will always have a place in our increasingly digital world. Plus, you've actually heard her voice before - she's the talent behind our podcast intro!

Whether you're a creative professional navigating industry changes, curious about voice acting, or just love hearing authentic stories about building a sustainable creative career, this episode delivers both insights and entertainment.

Connect with Alaina:

• Website: alainawis.com
• Instagram: @alainawis or @belleieve
• LinkedIn: Alaina Wis

Find Now, Near, and the Future:

• Website: nownearfuture.com
• Instagram/LinkedIn: @nownearfuture
• Available on all major podcast platforms

Transcript

HDco (00:01.986)
Welcome to Now, Near, and the Future. I'm Quinn Harrington.

Naila (00:05.102)
And I'm Naila Mir. Today we're talking about finding your authentic voice in business, literally.

HDco (00:11.416)
What voice is that? What are you doing with that voice thing?

Naila (00:15.482)
This is my podcast course.

HDco (00:17.294)
You sound like you're narrating like a nature documentary or a true crime novel.

Naila (00:22.806)
Well, I was trying to like do something nice and different and this is my podcast voice, but clearly it's not working. But let's just then move on, isn't it, Quinn? And today's episode, we're exploring how creative professionals navigate authenticity, technology, and building sustainable careers in an increasingly digital world. And we're joined by Alaina Wiss, an award winning voice actor. Is that better?

HDco (00:34.616)
Shall we?

HDco (00:53.186)
better. I like your regular voice. Your regular voice is perfect. We're diving into the voice acting industry, a field that's experiencing massive transformation thanks to AI, remote work, and the gaming boom. And same welcome to you, Elena. Let's start with the now segment. Elena, you've been in voice acting for nearly a decade. AI is everywhere right now. How is it actually impacting your day to day business?

Naila (00:53.85)
Yeah.

Thank you.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (01:09.247)
Hi.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (01:20.499)
Yeah, well first of all, Quinn, Nyla, thank you so much for having me. It's been awesome getting to work with you and know you better over the years and now to finally be a part of this project that I've also gotten to know is really cool. So thanks for having me this morning. But yeah, it's a great question. You know, I think this is such a nuanced topic and I think creatives are rightfully scared right now of the impact that AI could have or is having.

on our workflow and on our business. And it's not just voice actors, it's voice directors, it's creative producers, it's graphic designers, it's editors, it's everybody's afraid of their jobs being automated away. And that's a legitimate fear. And we also don't have a crystal ball and we don't know what's going to happen in a year or in even six months it's moving so quickly.

And I want to validate that. And I've certainly had those same fears and those same experiences and existential crises about, okay, am I going to have to find a new career just when I'm hitting my stride in this one? What's going to happen? But the reality is because we can't really see the future, we have to just go with the data that we have and take it one day at a time and be as smart as we can, I think, in our businesses. And so for me, even though it has been scary,

I've actually noticed growth in my business since the AI boom, which is the exact opposite of what I thought was going to happen. So my business has not only prospered financially, but I've had the opportunity to continue working and finding even better creative partners and maintaining the creative partnerships that I had who are just as concerned about AI because we've had to talk about our values and we've had to talk about

hey, you guys all want to keep doing this, right? We don't want to be replaced by technology. So that's just sort of allowed for a natural paring down and a falling away of the lower paying jobs, the jobs that are less creative and less particular and less finessed. They've just sort of fallen away and they've given way to jobs that really prioritize and align with

Alaina Wis (she/her) (03:36.659)
the values that I have as a creative to do the best storytelling that I can possibly do and present the most human narration that I possibly can and to really connect with the listener. And I think that's something that humans will always have over AI, even when we're talking about AI characters, AI like characters, robot characters in video games or in corporate videos or whatever it is. This is something that's at the forefront of our culture right now where AI is just in the spotlight. And so it's very, very common to see an ask for an AI.

character. And that's actually opened up more opportunities for me to create AI characters in my own organic voice without even having to participate in AI technology at all. And when the lines are getting blurred between human and AI and it sometimes can even be hard to tell that it's an AI voice, you know, they are getting pretty good, that actually gives us human voice actors an opportunity to

to embody some of those characters in a more human way. And from speaking to voice directors and other creatives in my field, they far prefer working with humans than they do prompting in AI because it's just so difficult to get it to do what you want it to do, whereas humans can, you know, we can communicate in ways that we understand. So it's actually been, it sounds like it's scary and I might eat my words in a year, I don't know, but...

It's actually been a very positive thing for my business.

HDco (05:07.288)
That's great. I'm curious about some of the client conversations you've had when brands come to you. Are they asking about AI alternatives or are they specifically seeking human content?

Naila (05:08.206)
interesting.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (05:19.922)
Yeah, I mean, that is definitely one change that I've seen in the last year. There seems to be all of a sudden all these brand new companies that are trying to jump onto the AI train and get their piece of it and offering very, very low rates to actors to create a digital replica of their voice that could then be licensed out to an unlimited amount of other clients without our knowledge or consent and having no input on what

It could be prompted to say, it could be prompted to say something we philosophically or emotionally disagree with. It could be prompted to say things that are incredibly offensive or sexual in nature. And they'll offer typically, you know, and I've seen as low as $200. I've seen maybe as high as $5,000 as compensation to basically own a replica of your voice forever and also be able to sell that replica to other companies.

in the future if their company were to be bought out and then you'd have even less control. So this is what happened to, and now I wish I could remember this person's name and I could look it up, but the woman whose voice was cloned without her consent and is now the voice of all the announcements in the Scottish metro system. So, you know, that's definitely a real concern. But I will say...

More often than not, with the client partnerships that I do have with people I already know when we're talking about how AI is getting worked into the workflow, where I see it most often is actually in the pre-production process where folks are wanting to kind of test the frames of their video. They might use an AI voice where before maybe a video editor would use their own voice. And so it actually just streamlines their process and it is much cheaper to use the AI voice for something like that.

I want to make clear I still don't agree with using a foundational model that's built unethically. But a lot of people are doing that. And that actually leaves more room in the budget to then bring in the real human voice actor to do the final product. And it seems like it's helping their workflow. So yeah, I guess that's sort of like how it's impacted my day to day. But the most common comment that I do get from my clients who are using AI is, this is AI. It sucks. Don't pay attention to it.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (07:35.016)
but we want you to come in and make this the thing that you do.

HDco (07:40.206)
Yeah, I've had several conversations with high profile clients and they have requested that we use AI. My first question is why? Well, know, it's cheaper and you can do what you want and my response is, it really cheaper? I mean, because you're going to pay me $200 an hour to produce this or I could hire a voice actor, hand off a script and you're going to end up paying about the same amount, but you're going to get

Alaina Wis (she/her) (08:01.94)
Mm.

HDco (08:10.242)
you know, a directable human who has great talent. And that conversation is usually quickly ended at that point. And so that's why I keep hiring you.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (08:23.732)
Well, I appreciate it. Like I said, it's been a natural paring down of those who kind of just are looking for something cheap and fast and not high quality. And, you know, that's okay with me because I don't really particularly want to work with those clients anyway. I value working with clients who really want to dig into the story and the humanity because I do this because I love it. I would never want to automate that away. I want to show up and perform and tell stories.

Naila (08:23.994)
Yeah.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (08:53.688)
So, yeah, so I'm grateful to folks like you who really do care about the same thing.

HDco (09:00.386)
Wonderful. You've worked with major brands like Google, Amazon, and Disney. By the way, who's your favorite Disney princess?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (09:08.733)
don't do this to me. Okay, don't tell them. I go back and forth, but I think probably Rapunzel.

Naila (09:09.031)
HDco (09:11.913)
They're not real and none of them are going to be offended.

Naila (09:15.834)
you

HDco (09:19.5)
Okay, mine's aerial.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (09:22.31)
Yeah, that's my second one that I go back and forth. I love Ariel.

HDco (09:24.888)
What about you, Naila? Do you have a Disney princess?

Naila (09:26.892)
was gonna say Aerial, Aerial, love the little mermaid, basically.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (09:30.621)
Hmm.

HDco (09:30.946)
Well, Nyla has a one-year-old baby girl, and so I don't know if she's gotten into the Frozen universe, but that's coming soon.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (09:40.679)
Hahaha

Naila (09:43.862)
No, no she hasn't. She's on Miss Rachel. That's her thing. I think she's one now so she's getting out of it. So she learned a lot from Rachel. I even learned sign language which was interesting but not yet. She's not into Frozen. Nope. Miss Rachel basically on YouTube. Well she has loads of channels. She's got a huge following and she does children's YouTube videos. So she teaches them. She does all the nursery rhymes.

HDco (09:47.405)
Yeah.

HDco (09:58.03)
Tell us who Miss Rachel is.

Naila (10:13.134)
Basically she's amazing, she's very inclusive as well. So she takes care of sign language, she's teaching at the same time, everything, how to get into school, preschool, every kid loves her. And the minute you put her on, they smile. They smile more than they smile for their parents, basically. Yes, she's doing great work. She's doing great work, yeah.

HDco (10:31.534)
Aww.

HDco (10:35.288)
Yeah, well, I'm sure you'll be signing her up with an agent very soon.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (10:39.091)
Mm-hmm

Naila (10:39.386)
Ah, hey, don't give me ideas.

HDco (10:41.932)
No, seriously, one of my friend's sister lives out in LA, has a four or five year old, and the four or five year old has just gotten agent.

Naila (10:52.036)
No.

HDco (10:53.55)
I'm like, okay. And Chris is like, well, it's LA. I mean, it's what they do. What else are you gonna do? I was like, all right, make money off your kid. I'm all for it.

Naila (11:01.226)
Yeah.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (11:01.799)
Ha ha ha.

HDco (11:03.278)
So the revolution that really happened, I guess, maybe 10 or 15 years ago is when voice actors started building their own studios and recording remotely. How has that changed or expanded the way you work with your global clients?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (11:22.863)
Yeah, I mean, I only entered the foray about 10 years ago, so I've never known anything different than recording remotely. I've gone to a studio here or there to, you know, just rent out the booth to do my own work. But all of my clients around the world have been completely fine with me recording from home, including major studios in Los Angeles. And that is, I think, not only in part to this transition to remote that was already happening, but definitely in part due to COVID.

If there's anything positive that came out of COVID, I think it has opened a lot of doors to a lot of people that otherwise, if they weren't living in a major hub for voiceover, really didn't have access to. We really learned that, wow, we can do this from anywhere. And yes, some of those opportunities have gone back to local only. But, you know, I hypothesize and I've heard from folks that I trust.

that in about five to seven years, that technology will be there, that even for something like a animated series or something where consistency is really key, and that's why everybody has to be in the same room, on the same microphone, on the same lot, the technology is coming that we will be able to do that from home. And I think that's wonderful because more power to you if you truly want to live in Los Angeles or in Dallas because you're doing anime or...

in New York City, awesome. Like if that's what you want, go for it. But I believe that you can have it all. And if you want to be somewhere else because you're happier there, if your support system is there or financially you want to be there and you want to pursue voice acting, I believe you can. I believe you can do everything and I believe that I'm proof of that.

HDco (13:07.854)
Totally agree. So what skills have you had to develop beyond just having a great voice?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (13:14.759)
my gosh, so many. I feel like I wear 32 different hats every single day. When I'm not working through my agents who are brilliant and fantastic, but I don't work with them through everything, for everything. I am sort of the good cop and the bad cop in a lot of situations because I have to, I have to assert my rates and advocate for myself with clients behind the scenes before we get on the session.

And I try to have all of that ironed out before wherever in this situation. don't ever want to discuss money or contracts or anything like that. Once we're in the room, it's time to act, right? Or it's time to deliver whatever story or whatever brand mission the client wants. And that's really what I want the focus of the session to be. That requires laying a lot of groundwork.

that requires becoming educated on what are appropriate rates for various projects. What are the right questions to ask your clients so you can figure out what that appropriate rate is? How to communicate that in an assertive but kind way so that they want to work with you, but that they also understand that you're not a pushover and that you stand behind your work and there's a reason why it's being sold at the industry standard rate. There's also building community, making sure that you have

a trusted group of people that you can ask when you come up against problems that you haven't come up against before. There's the marketing aspect of it, making sure that your materials really represent where you are today and what you can do. And they're reflective of how you're going to show up in the booth, not only of your sound quality, but of your acting quality or performance quality. And coaching, taking classes, meeting the right people, putting yourself in front of people, because if they don't know you exist, they can't hire you.

And just like maintaining relationships is a big part of it. So there's a lot and I sort of joke that acting is probably about 10 % of my day and the rest is all of that other stuff. It's all the business owner stuff. Just like any business, voice acting is running your own business and a lot of this applies no matter what field you're starting a business in.

Naila (15:24.442)
I was going to yeah, yeah, everything you said, was like, oh, that's exactly what we do. Whether it's about negotiating rates or running the business or collaborating with people, we're in the same space. It's just I'm not a voice actor or an actor.

HDco (15:24.482)
I'm sure Nyla and I, can relate to that, right?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (15:39.443)
You

Exactly.

HDco (15:43.342)
So I'm going to give you a pro tip, Elena. In the marketing and advertising video space, we spend a lot of time putting proposals together. And so a proposal can take anywhere from two hours to a day. And a lot of times you'll send that off to the client and then you'll never hear back. And so that's a shame. So I created this workshop. It's called the Brand Love Mini Workshop.

It's a two hour session and we go through all the kinds of things that you would want to know like target audience and marketing goals and budget and scope and all that stuff. And in the end I provide a very detailed report that outlines everything that we discussed along with the proposal. And so that's $1,000, which is a very low barrier of entry for a project that

you know, we might take on. And if I can get a client to agree to do a workshop, there's like a 95 % chance that they're going to hire us. So maybe think about something for like, say if you're starting doing work on like a new video game expansion or whatever, that you have like a little workshop that you put together and you charge maybe $500 or a thousand or whatever makes sense.

and you spend an hour and you talk about what is the goal, character development, all this kind of stuff, provide that report to them along with your proposal, and then you're not doing this work, this proposal work for free.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (17:21.714)
That's really interesting. Thank you. I'll definitely have to think about how that could translate into voice acting.

HDco (17:28.11)
I know it's not exactly the same, if you're gonna be doing something that's extensive, that's gonna take like a week at your rate for a client to pay you sort of a retainer fee to get started, it's not unlike what a lawyer or a doctor would do.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (17:36.721)
Yeah.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (17:49.555)
Sure. No, yeah, I mean, I can definitely think of some scenarios where I've sort of problem solved that by, you know, doing a 10 or 15 minute free Zoom with the client to talk about that sort of thing, especially in situations where they don't want to be too involved. And I want to make sure I don't spend 30 hours recording a long form project only for them to say redo the whole thing, right? So.

HDco (18:14.135)
Right.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (18:15.16)
Oftentimes what I will do in that situation, if they don't want to direct the session, they just are like, we trust you. And I go, OK, but let's try to mitigate any additional revisions, especially on something that's going to take so much time. I will send a 30 to 60 second sample of what I think they want. And I'll ask if that's good to go for approval before I do the entire thing. And then I'll usually send the project in segments. So that same thing, I don't get too ahead of myself.

HDco (18:42.348)
Yeah, you're really great about offering auditions. And that's what helped you get that last job where they're like, yeah, okay, so we'll test. We'll do an AI voice and then we'll let Elena read it and then you decide. And they were like, wow, there's a difference. In fact, yeah. In fact, well, we'll get to this in another segment.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (18:46.45)
Well, it's part of the game, yeah.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (18:57.244)
Fair enough.

And see? And see that was a positive conversion right there.

Naila (19:01.102)
Yeah.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (19:09.244)
Okay.

Naila (19:09.325)
Yeah

HDco (19:10.21)
All right, let's pitch to Nyla. We're about to go around the room.

Naila (19:15.546)
we're around the room. So this is one of our segments. We like throwing a bit of a conversation, different conversation. So what's the weirdest thing you've had to do to voice recently? So the weirdest thing that you voiced recently.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (19:34.559)
man, this is gonna take me a minute. Maybe come back to me because the thing about my job is that because I do three to five sessions a day and about 20 to 25 auditions a day, it really is like in one ear out the other and then I forget it. In the moment it might be like that was weird, but then I have to move on because it's just my day is go, go, go. But I don't know. Okay, come back to me.

Naila (19:57.594)
Welcome.

HDco (19:59.016)
We'll come back to you. Naila, what about you? What's going on? You're going to Paris.

Naila (20:02.306)
Me? yes, I'm going to Paris. I don't feel ready for it though, because there's been so much going on. There's like, how many events I have to help plan and organise. So there's like two coming up, one in July and a workshop in July. I just don't feel ready. And I think I'm just feeling really antsy about leaving my baby for three nights. But I guess my husband will just get to see and manage it without me. Yeah.

HDco (20:29.398)
Yeah, you're gonna have to get used to that. Well, I just got a new setup for the podcast. It's the classic RE-20 microphone that you see in like every radio station. used to be the, it was the same microphone that, I don't know if you guys remember the Frasier Crane show back from the 90s. It was this microphone that was sitting on his desk and he would be like,

Naila (20:32.024)
What about you?

HDco (20:59.638)
I am Dr. Fraser Crane and I'm listening. And I was sold on it at that moment. So just playing around with that would spend a lot of fun and expanding my limited audio engineering skills.

Naila (21:01.22)
Yeah.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (21:04.594)
Aww.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (21:11.952)
Love it. I've got.

Naila (21:12.398)
Yeah, she's always on this, this correcting my voice through mic. And I'm hoping this position is the right position for the voice.

HDco (21:20.342)
It is better, but neither one of us have soundproofed rooms, so we don't have a minus 84 decibel floor, noise floor that, I was reading on your website and I was like, okay, I'm not exactly sure what that is, but I know I've been in actual recording booths before and when they close the door, it feels like a vacuum. It's like, all the sound is sucked out. You can hear your heart beating. You're like, wow, this is intense.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (21:25.169)
Yeah.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (21:29.01)
Noiseplur.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (21:41.404)
Yeah. Yeah.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (21:45.97)
Yeah, yeah, it's a little weird, yeah, essentially that's just, that's something that I put on there for engineers so that if anybody is particular or they have doubts about hiring a remote voice talent, and I'm happy to back it up with receipts as well, I'm happy to send them a file, like my space is very, very quiet. Exactly. I thought of, I thought.

HDco (22:00.622)
You're like, no, I know my shit, She's like, I've spent $20,000 or more on all this stuff. This is not nothing. Anything fun you've been up to lately other than voicing? Are you doing any stage or awards or?

Naila (22:02.564)
Thank

Alaina Wis (she/her) (22:16.721)
Um, I haven't done any stage acting in a while. Um, it's honestly, it's just, it's, it's hard to kind of make that integrate into my schedule now that I'm just so busy with voice acting. And essentially I'm working like a normal nine to five, but then there's also times when I work until 10 PM or I start at 6 AM depending on where my clients are. So trying to juggle that with theater, which, you know, I had been doing

eight show a week contracts before where you would start your week on a Wednesday and you would do two shows, one show Thursday night, one show Friday night, two shows Saturday, and then two shows Sunday. Did I do that math right? Yeah. And it's just, it's full time except your weekend is Monday, Tuesday. So it's really tough to kind of go back to that. But I have been getting into the indie film scene here in Chicago, and that's been really rewarding and really scrappy and fun and

The Chicago filmmaking scene, everybody is so passionate and really, because nobody's making money on it, it's like you have to love it. You have to want to be out there in 25 degree weather. The equipment is failing and you're having to run into a coffee shop and wait for it to revive and then go back outside and your hands are cold and you're trying to power through the continuous shot that you're shooting and.

It's stressful and hard, then at the end of the day, everybody looks around and is like, we did that. It's so cool. Yeah. So that's been my passion project lately. And I thought of a weird thing that I had to do. I did think of it. I had an audio drama session where I was, after we finished our primary task for the day, sometimes they'll say, can you stick around and do these additional background voices? And it's like, sure. They're like, okay, so this is for a different podcast, different audio drama podcasts. And

HDco (23:44.974)
We did a thing.

That's very cool. Awesome.

Naila (23:49.617)
That's amazing.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (24:08.953)
And so you're a zombie. And they had myself and two other actors and they were like, we basically want all of you doing like zombie moaning and groaning all at the same time. And you're all saying these same words, but kind of at different times. And she was like, okay, whenever you're ready, everybody start. It's the most horrifying thing you've ever heard. And then we all finished and kind of like, there was this awkward pause and everyone was like, was that?

HDco (24:30.232)
Wow.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (24:35.345)
terrifying to listen to. So yeah, I mean, it is a weird job at times.

Naila (24:41.806)
That's a word. And Quinn, you better not make me do no zombie voices in any episode. But I think it's time we should introduce our guest properly. So, Elena, thank you for joining us once again. Elena Wiss is a professional voice actor who's brought characters to life in major video games like Starfield, Skyrim, and Zenless Zone Zero. Tongue twister.

HDco (24:42.2)
Very cool.

HDco (24:46.855)
that's coming up later in the script. You didn't get that.

Naila (25:09.592)
Her commercial works spans everyone from Google and Amazon to Victoria's Secret and Toyota, including the iconic Let's Go Places tagline we all heard. I didn't say it the way you're supposed to say it. How were you meant to say it? Let's Go Places. And you're a regular listener. If you're a regular listener, you've actually already heard Elena's voice.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (25:22.705)
Let's go places.

Naila (25:35.65)
She's the one who brings our podcasts in intro animation to life each episode. And it's so good to actually see the face behind the voice. But what makes Elena's story particularly relevant today is how she's built a thriving creative business while navigating massive industry changes. She's gone from traditional studio sessions to remote recording, which we talked about, from corporate narration to interactive gaming, all while staying on.

authentically herself in an industry that's constantly evolving. Elena, where can people find you on socials?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (26:08.739)
Alaina Wis (she/her) (26:12.827)
Yeah, mostly I'm on Instagram. I do have an at AlainaWis, just my name, but I don't really use that one very much. I kind of migrated a lot of my VO stuff over there because I thought people were getting annoyed with it on my personal page. I don't use that one very much. I use at believe, is B-E-L-L-E-I-E-V-E. That is the one I use most often. I'm also on Twitter or X at AlainaWis. That's pretty much it. don't really use. I'm on LinkedIn.

Naila (26:26.778)
Thank

Alaina Wis (she/her) (26:40.805)
You know, I post a lot about industry stuff on LinkedIn as well.

Naila (26:43.514)
Okay, great. If you're not following, please follow, Elena. Shall we move to our next segment, Quinn? Yeah? Let's shift to near future, which is about the next three to five years. But before we go there, can you explain this? Quinn, are you cooing something?

HDco (26:49.708)
me to the next segment.

HDco (27:03.414)
I am queuing.

Naila (27:05.229)
Great.

What are you gonna explain? I don't know.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (27:10.619)
What's about to happen right now?

Naila (27:12.346)
I don't know.

HDco (27:13.806)
It's not getting, hold on, let's start over again.

Naila (27:20.004)
You want me to start again?

HDco (27:21.272)
Through the magic of editing, we're just going to cut this whole part out.

Naila (27:24.026)
So let's shift to the near future, which is about three to five years from here. No, before we go, no, I'm going to start again.

HDco (27:34.958)
I, what is going, hold on, hold on, I got it now, I got it.

Naila (27:37.658)
I'm going to wait.

Okay, do you want me to start again? Nope. She's gonna edit it.

HDco (27:42.54)
Nope. Here we go.

HDco (27:53.518)
Fine by me. Great, I'm getting down a little bit.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (27:53.956)
It's me.

HDco (28:09.006)
Alright, I need some water.

Huh? Huh? Huh?

Yeah.

HDco (28:30.142)
I'll ya. All right, what was that?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (28:43.78)
That's it.

Naila (28:45.411)
Bye.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (28:46.576)
That is a day in my life. That was a gaming session that I did that was almost entirely efforts. So, effort sounds in video gaming are sounds that we as voice actors make to give the player information about what's happening. So, whether that is we are being attacked, we are attacking, we are throwing something, we're climbing, we're jumping, we are...

defending, whatever it is. Us as voice actors, a big part of our job is to work in collaboration with our developers to give information to the player about how successful they are at any given moment. did you scratch the enemy? Did you fatally wound the enemy? Have you killed the enemy? How close are they? How far away are they? What's coming in? Is it a grenade coming in? Is somebody running at you and raising their sword? What's going on? So

it's essential to develop a vocabulary of these sounds so that when you get into a session and they say, okay, give me, you're lit on fire and it needs to be about six seconds long. That you're not then taking everybody's time up in the session to figure out in your brain what that sounds like and how to do it safely. So it's very important to have laid that groundwork before you're hired to come in and do this in a high stakes scenario for about four hours with five to 10 minute breaks throughout. So.

Naila (30:11.162)
That was so fun.

HDco (30:12.194)
Yeah, when I came across that on your Instagram, was like, this is like the most entertaining thing I've seen in a long time.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (30:17.646)
I did not expect that to blow up, but people did find it very entertaining.

Naila (30:23.118)
That was funny. don't know. How did you find that though?

HDco (30:27.03)
I was on her feed, I was just scrolling through it to see if there's anything interesting that we could talk about, know, doing producer stuff, you always have to do your background.

Naila (30:35.322)
I loved it. You should see my reaction when you play back the video. I had my mouth open.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (30:39.16)
I was like, I know what this is, but people listening are gonna be like, what is happening right now?

HDco (30:39.202)
Hahaha

Naila (30:44.954)
I said, my god, is she sick or what's happening? But while we're actually talking about the gaming industry, you've worked on different titles and I don't know how to pronounce this properly. Bethesda? Bethesda?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (30:58.606)
Bethesda, yeah.

HDco (30:58.958)
Bethesda.

Naila (30:59.822)
Bethesda and Netflix games. Where do you see these interactive entertainments going in the future? Where are they heading to?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (31:09.232)
well, we're having this conversation at an opportune time. We are at the pinnacle of an interactive strike right now with some of the major, major employers in this space and SAG-AFTRA, the Actors Union. It's a very complicated time. There's a lot hanging in the balance. And truly, I can't answer that question with much confidence because I really don't know what's going to happen.

What I can tell you is that there is a deal on the table that these employers have presented after almost a year of negotiations that they've called their last, best, and final offer. This is today, June 5th, 2025. Something could change in 24 hours. I have no idea. And SAG-AFTRA is not fully satisfied with this deal. And they've tried to go back.

to the employers, ask for some changes. The employers have stonewalled them. And so things are getting very tense. Actors are fighting amongst themselves. And the one thing that everybody has in common is that they're all scared. Everyone is scared that either work is going to just go non-union or leave the country entirely because companies can't afford to continue missing deadlines and being, you know, subject to the vulnerability to them that is a strike. Or...

Companies may opt to use AI, and if the deal as it stands is approved, there are actors who are afraid that the AI protections are too lenient, that they allow for too many loopholes for employers to avoid bringing actors in live to record things, or even that certain digital replicas, those are independently created digital replicas, meaning the employer would have to scrape the internet for your voice or other publicly available...

data of your voice and create their own digital replica of you with your consent and with your compensation, that that type of digital replica could be used in certain instances during a strike to scab for you. So there's a lot of heat happening right now in the voice acting community and there's a lot of fear and things are very tense and it's not really clear which way things are going to go. But either way, there's going to be unhappy folks no matter what happens.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (33:25.546)
So we're hoping for a great deal to be reached. We're hoping that the employers in SAG-AFTRA can come to a great agreement and that everyone will feel safe continuing to come to work. But yeah, a lot of these bigger companies have had projects that have actually been struck and not authorized for us to work on for almost a year now. it's been interesting to navigate for sure.

HDco (33:48.947)
I I thought that was all taken care of. I didn't know that was still going on.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (33:52.824)
It's still going on. Yep.

Naila (33:54.646)
wow. And I mean, this is not my, I don't know much about gaming industry other than the fact that my nephews are in games all the time and I can't even name half the games that they play. But does this also impact VR and AR? Does it also fall in this space or are there other opportunities in that space?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (34:15.728)
That's a good question. I'm not actually sure, but my inclination would be that if it's interactive in any capacity, it probably is covered work. By SAG-AFTRA, there probably is a contract for it. So I would guess that, yeah, and it's just complicated because, it's just, we could talk all day about this, but yeah, it's very complicated.

Naila (34:26.563)
Okay.

Naila (34:35.522)
Well, we were interested in talking more about the gaming side of things and the storytelling side of things of gaming and that they're getting more narrative driven, more like interactive films. How does that change what you do as a voice actor?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (34:53.176)
Yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right. We have these narrative games that are sprawling that might be 60 or 100 hours of playable content for the player. So that's great for us as voice actors because that means we get to come in and work more and supply more dialogue. I don't know how other I can't I can't speak for other actors, but, you know, the narrative type work is my favorite thing to do because it feels the most like acting.

And I know I should probably consider all of it acting, and it is, but it just doesn't feel the same when you're doing an explainer video versus you're really diving into that deep acting training that you're having to access and the whole breadth of human emotion for something like a very cinematic video game. So really, the way that it changes from genre to genre...

Naila (35:21.338)
Mm-hmm.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (35:46.742)
for something like a really dramatic cinematic narrative video game is it's just very, very honest. It's very grounded. It's very dropped in. You're really not performing. You're just expressing honestly the situation that's going on. You're thinking very specifically about who you're talking to and just trusting that that's enough and really trying not to put on anything. It's just very dropped in and grounded. That's a word we hear a lot.

Naila (36:15.726)
Yeah, so someone who's trying to get into the gaming voice side of things like you, kind of skills, what should they be focusing on if they want to get into gaming voice work?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (36:32.961)
Acting training, 100%. I don't think it can be skipped. You can either, you know, can go out and get experience by, you know, just performing in improv troops or whatever it is, or you can take the traditional route of taking class or a university program, which is what I did not knowing I would end up on this side of acting. But I do think it's non-negotiable to develop acting skills in coachings or classes or something.

Naila (36:34.329)
Acting Training.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (37:02.825)
And it's the casting directors and the voice directors out there have a really strong bullshit detector. Can I swear on this? Okay, great. So if your audition, you know, they can clock it in the first two seconds of your audition if you are not being honest and if you are not being real and if you're putting on and trying to do what you think they want to hear. And so if you don't have that acting training to...

Naila (37:10.616)
Yes.

HDco (37:11.638)
I just did.

Naila (37:27.574)
Mm.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (37:31.353)
kind of fall back on, I think it becomes very, very difficult to break into this space.

Naila (37:36.024)
back to that authentic way, authentic voice that they're looking for. Well, I'm not getting there, but maybe you can offer some coaching if I wanted to get there.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (37:40.653)
Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (37:46.991)
I'll think about getting into the coaching space. I haven't yet.

Naila (37:51.002)
Great! yes? Are you gonna make me do something again?

HDco (37:52.942)
All right, you ready to go across the pond?

HDco (37:59.288)
Well, I mean, this is a volunteer act here, so.

Naila (38:03.928)
So, Alena, you've done voice all over the world, including Disney parks. And I saw on your LinkedIn that you're pretty, you do a pretty convincing Australian accent. Have you ever worked with British accents or UK clients?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (38:04.175)
Yes.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (38:15.702)
Alaina Wis (she/her) (38:20.857)
Yes, I have, although I will not do it for like commercials and corporate narration. I don't know what it is, but I can only do it if it's a character. If it's like, you know, a brand video or something, I don't want that responsibility. Like, I just am like, no, I'm gonna get clocked. People are gonna know. But if it's a character, I feel like you can say, well, it's not really England, right? It's like Middle Earth or something. It's some fictitious place. So it's okay if it's not perfect, but if it's like...

Naila (38:45.786)
Bye.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (38:48.575)
some bank in the UK like don't give me that responsibility.

Naila (38:52.878)
Thank

HDco (38:54.382)
Speaking of accents, are you familiar with the mid-Atlantic or trans-Atlantic accent?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (38:59.767)
It's so funny because yes, but also everyone has a completely different idea of what that is, depending on who you ask, because some people will say, it's like that old movie voice that people used in Hollywood back in the day that all the actors learned to speak that way because the sound quality wasn't great. So they had to adopt this like very clipped way of speaking and everyone talked like this on the radio and what, but that's usually not what clients mean when they say that. I find that my corporate clients, they mean.

not identifiable as either American or British. But my gaming clients basically mean RP English, like Queen's English. So it's just like who's asking because depending on who's asking, I will adjust.

Naila (39:38.436)
Really.

Naila (39:45.274)
Quinn, why don't you try it?

HDco (39:45.486)
kind of English do you speak, Nyla? Do you speak the Queen's English?

Naila (39:50.394)
I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think so. At some point, because I was born in East London, that's what we call cockney. I don't know if you know what that is, but it's got a different accent to it. So people you say I had a cockney accent, but I think I've got pretty much plain English. Having lived in Pakistan for 24 years is just normal. Quinn, do you have an accent you can do?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (40:00.335)
Yeah.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (40:12.751)
Fair enough.

HDco (40:18.125)
really.

Naila (40:19.481)
So she's making me do all these acts.

HDco (40:21.806)
Well, you're actually legit British, so, you know, my Trans-Elect would be just, you know. You mean like this, darling.

Naila (40:29.73)
Yeah. Okay, where are we going?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (40:30.883)
Yes.

HDco (40:31.598)
That's terrible. Elena, can you do one better?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (40:35.625)
yeah, we can do the Australian, why not? So it's a bit, you know, so yeah, I did a commercial for like a yacht. It was like a sort of like luxury sort of boat that people can rent and I guess like sail around Mexico and stuff. So yeah.

Naila (40:37.55)
Go on.

Naila (40:50.554)
That sounds good. You know who's good at accents? My 11 year old nephew. He loves doing accents. Now that I've met you, I might get him into voice acting.

HDco (40:52.312)
That's pretty good, actually.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (40:54.287)
Ha

HDco (40:57.878)
yeah.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (41:03.307)
All right, love it.

HDco (41:04.782)
I used to be able to do a pretty good Bill Clinton accent.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (41:07.581)
my god, Bill Clinton accent, not impression, an accent. I love it.

HDco (41:11.48)
Well impressions so... Nyla, what are you up to? You up to no good as always, I can just tell. I'm from Arkansas and here we do things a little differently down there.

Naila (41:12.844)
you

Alaina Wis (she/her) (41:17.099)
my gosh.

Naila (41:18.906)
you

Alaina Wis (she/her) (41:23.095)
It's like the vocal fry and the vocal fatigue. Totally, I totally hear it.

HDco (41:24.768)
Yes. Mm-hmm. Little smokiness going on. I won't do a Hillary Clinton accent because who wants to hear that? All right, shall we move into the future?

Naila (41:28.398)
I like it.

Naila (41:34.566)
my god.

Naila (41:38.948)
Yeah.

HDco (41:40.726)
Okay, so you said that you don't have a crystal ball, Laina, but it is crystal ball time, so you're have to give us your best guest on this. And it's funny, you mentioned earlier that you have been asked to do AI sounding voices. And so on this project we just completed, I paired you against kind of like a lower-end AI voice gen.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (41:45.379)
Alright. Alright.

HDco (42:09.582)
but I wanted a voice that sounded different than yours. And so you went ahead and recorded a different version of that, and I gave them both to the client, and they preferred your fake AI voice to the real AI voice. Well, I don't know. I mean, I was gonna ask that same question, like how do we even know if you're real? You could just be like a simulation.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (42:12.61)
Mm-hmm.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (42:26.424)
Who's the real AI? Just kidding.

I guess, yeah, guess we'll never know. You'll just have to take my word for it, I guess. Everything's digital, so this could be a deep fake right now, this whole interview, who knows?

Naila (42:37.22)
Thank

HDco (42:44.152)
It'll save us a whole lot of time in the future for not having to do this. Just kidding, we do it because we love it. Looking 10 to 15 years ahead, how do you think the industry balances authenticity with technology?

Naila (42:44.314)
and

Alaina Wis (she/her) (42:47.726)
Yeah.

Naila (42:50.083)
Okay.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (42:57.112)
Hmm. It's interesting because then it's like, how do we define authenticity? You know, because we are in a very strange, uncanny place right now where several times throughout my week, I will get a video reference from a client that's either a work in progress or yeah, it's usually a work in progress. And I'll open it up and I'll start listening to it. And then I'll go back to the client notes and I'll discover while listening to it that they've said, this is AI and I didn't know.

If they had not said that, I wouldn't have known. Now, knowing it, then you listen to it and you're like, okay, yeah, I can hear it. Or it breaks down after about 30 seconds and it starts kind of doing the same thing that it was doing before. it accentuates a weird part of the word and then you clock it. But I mean, for a 30 second commercial, it is kind of good enough where we're at right now. then it's like, is there, and I don't want to get too woo-woo or anything, but it's sort of like,

Is there a part of us in humans that can innately recognize when something is human or when it's not? And can we reliably trust that to indicate what is authentic and what isn't? And how far away are we from losing that and not being able to tell? So, I don't know. We've seen a lot of different trends in voiceover, especially during the pandemic. We saw a big swoop from

really high energy, announcer energy for like selling things and come and buy this thing. It's 15 % off before the pandemic to, hey, it's COVID. We know you're all sick of it. Come buy this thing or don't, who cares, whatever. Like very flat, very like people did not want Chipper because they were really stressed and they were losing people and it was high stress and everybody's in their house and they're going crazy. And now we're starting to trend back more towards that Chipper, more announcer-y thing again.

And that's what's resonating with consumers. So it's impossible to say like where on the authenticity spectrum will be in 10 to 15 years. But I think it is going to, I hypothesize that because we're gonna be so inundated with AI and it's everywhere, it's in our face, that we're gonna crave humanity and we're gonna crave imperfection. We're going to crave people maybe even messing up words in a commercial or.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (45:23.232)
adding their little vocal quirks in or ad-libbing, inventing things, because AI can't invent. It can only take what's fed into it and spit it back out. So I do think, and I have started to see that a little bit already in audition requests, that people want it to be a little messy and not perfect at all.

HDco (45:43.758)
Yeah, I think that's a student observation. So when stock photography first came on the scene in the early 2000s, art directors were like, wow, I've got these resources on a photo disc and I can just take it and use it and I don't have to spend $5,000 for a photographer. And that was an amazing trend for a while, but then everybody else started using it too.

And before long, we could pick out a stock photo very easily. Same trend for stock video, where you can just take a look at something and just like, it's stock. It's got a certain style, it's supposed to be universal, all that. So there's a strong desire to create original content with humans, even though it's expensive and it takes a while.

But I feel like that the end result is so much more genuine and gives you such more ability to personalize it to the brand. I think that right now we're going through, as we're going through this whole gen-I craze that I'm personally mesmerized by the stuff that's getting created. Stuff that is beyond the capabilities of even like a really good illustrator.

or a really good photographer because it's just, it's like pure magic. But in two years, maybe even six months, I think people are gonna grow tired of it you're like, yeah, I've seen that. mean, it was cool two years ago, but it's been there, it's done. And I know AI will continue to evolve and I know that there's an emerging trend that is

happening as we speak where manufacturers and brands are using specialty AI agents that have been trained on data, say from like Nielsen. This just came out at C360 a couple days ago, so it's safe to talk about it now. But they have a new tool, it's called AI Screener, and what it's...

HDco (48:09.016)
been trained on is decades of household data collected from real humans, over 300,000 households. And so rather than going into ChatGPT, which is scouring the entire universe, it's trained on this very limited model. And so when you punch something in like, Sophia, what flavors do you like in a ready to drink cocktail?

it will spit back to you, these are the flavors that I like, and it will give you great detail, you can interact with it just like any other chat bot, and then it's gonna provide you a report, recommendations based on style, packaging, flavors, cues, things of that nature. So what clients are doing now is they're taking that information,

and they're dropping into a Gen.AI program to create a packaging design. So I asked the guy, how long will it be before this screener connects up with other Gen.AI's where it's now end to end? And then so there's not really even a need for a designer or an agency. And he's like, 2026.

Naila (49:31.05)
Really?

HDco (49:32.95)
right around the corner. So, you know, we're all going to adapt and evolve and, you know, I for one have embraced the space. Naila's still a little bit on the fence about it, but she's coming around and I think that learning these tools and the appropriate times to use the tools and the ethics and everything that is involved in that, I think is really, you know, critical.

Last question for you, looking at your own career trajectory, where do you see voice acting as a profession heading? What does success look like for the next generation of voice actors?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (50:14.113)
Yeah, I mean, we've never been here quite like this before. And kind of what I mean by that is that, and I want to preface this by saying I don't mean to discourage anyone from entering this field, but the advice that I would have given 10 years ago for getting started is so different from where we are now because of AI and because of COVID as well, because everyone has taken the last five years

to get their home studios to be so, so up to par that they are on par with the studios in Burbank. It's that the barrier to entry is just higher for getting started. And so I do see a possibility for voice acting to become human voice acting, to become kind of a luxury product. We're starting to see some of those entry level jobs, like I mentioned earlier, fall away. You know, there used to be companies that were doing

very low paid audio books, which first of all, I think is a genre that absolutely should be narrated by humans because that's a long time to be listening to an AI voice. But we are starting to see like Audible just went fully AI, believe, fact check me on that. But I believe I saw that announcement for their audio books, Amazon. And there used to be a big category of very, very low paying like

Naila (51:22.938)
Thank

Alaina Wis (she/her) (51:40.558)
$40 for up to an hour of narration on a YouTube video that maybe voice actors who were starting out might take that for experience and to try to get their feet wet. All AI now. If you go on YouTube and you start seeing YouTube shorts, it's almost all AI voices just because it's quicker to pump out that content several times a day with an AI voice than to have somebody narrate it and it's certainly cheaper. Is it good? No. But

that was an entry-level job for somebody that's now kind of gone. So I don't think voice acting is going away by any means. I don't think there's ever anything that can replace art. There are still people who are paying thousands of dollars for a really good painting, right? So I think that voice acting, especially at the highest levels, especially Quinn, you mentioned, you know, for these brands where reputation and imagery for them, brand image is so at stake, I do think

they will continue to hire human and hire the best humans available because it's so important and because they can't copyright anything that's just publicly out there. It's a liability for them.

HDco (52:46.158)
That's Yeah, that's a huge consideration with any content that we're sharing with these big brands is that it has to be licensable. It has to be all legal because there's been quite a number of brands that have been sued for using AI content that was lifted from real works out there and then the artist discovers...

Naila (52:47.94)
Thank you.

Naila (52:58.362)
Thank

HDco (53:14.574)
discovers that the next thing you know you're in court defending yourself.

Naila (53:15.375)
Yeah.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (53:16.877)
Yeah, nobody wants that. And also, like you mentioned, too, I really agree with this, Quinn. Everything is going to start to sound the same. And then how do you stand out as a brand? This is the reason why we have exclusivity clauses for SAG commercials as actors, is that brands, it's an incentive for brands to work with SAG after actors, that they get built into that contract. Okay, if Elena's working for Toyota,

Naila (53:18.317)
Yeah.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (53:40.587)
She's not going to then go and do a Ford commercial at the same time. You have her for the term of this contract, so she is your brand voice for this commercial. And I think that's important to brands. I just do. And I think that that's not going to go away, you know?

HDco (53:55.062)
awesome. Well, I think you're a beautiful human, Elena. Do you want to take us to the wrap, Naila?

Naila (53:55.29)
and

Alaina Wis (she/her) (53:58.157)
Mm-hmm.

Naila (54:01.868)
Yes, so I think it was just along the lines you were talking about, we're still going to have voice acting and it's still going to be there. So those people are trying to build their careers in this, what should they be looking at? I know you said coaching, is there anything else that you would give advice on to anyone building their career, on authentic career?

Alaina Wis (she/her) (54:22.548)
Yeah, absolutely. Get into community. Biggest, biggest thing. I have seen people skyrocket their careers, no joke, in two years doing what I took 10 to do. I think not in a small part because they had community, because they had accountability, because they were surrounded by people who were either just a little bit ahead or right at that same level, right in that same mindset. So I think get into a Discord community and just

hang out for a little bit and see what is everybody's day to day like. Does this sound good? Does this sound like something I really want to do? You know, not just the romantic idea of, I want to be in cartoons. It's like everyone wants to be in a Disney movie, of course. Everybody wants that, you know. Okay, but do you want to do all of the hard work? Because if you don't enjoy that, you know, it's going to be a long road to get to, know, wouldn't it be nice to be in a cartoon? So I think hanging out with other voice actors,

And when appropriate, if you can find somebody who's sort of an unofficial mentor with consent, and you don't be disrespectful of people's time and boundaries and all of that, but find somebody that can be your go-to person and you can say, hey, I'm coming up against this for the first time and I'm not expecting you to solve the problem for me, but if you were me, what would you, where would you look for answers? But I think going it alone in 2025 with everything that's going on.

I wouldn't want to do that. Absolutely find your people.

Naila (55:55.306)
great advice.

HDco (55:58.008)
Thank you so much, Elena. This wraps up this episode of Now, Near, and the Future. You can find us on all the usual podcast platforms, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, LinkedIn, and YouTube, if you want to watch. And you can find us at nownearfuture.com, and our handles on Instagram and social are at nownearfuture.

Naila (56:21.166)
And if you love the podcast, you can subscribe, leave a review and tell your friends. If you don't, we'll assume you're just jealous because we're great at doing and hosting podcasts.

HDco (56:33.73)
That's right, you're all just jealous. Haters gonna be hatin'. Elena, remind us where people can find you on social or your website.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (56:34.868)
You know it.

you

Alaina Wis (she/her) (56:43.178)
Yeah, my website is elainawis.com, A-L-A-I-N-A-W-I-S, and same spelling obviously for Twitter or X. And on Instagram, at elainawis or at B-E-L-L-E-I-E-V-E, or on LinkedIn.

Naila (57:01.06)
That's great. And thank you so much for joining us. Seriously, I really enjoyed this conversation. I've learned things that I didn't know about and the things behind the gaming and all the voiceovers. So yes, might get my nephew interacting with it. So yeah, it's been lovely having you.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (57:08.116)
Me too.

Alaina Wis (she/her) (57:16.596)
All right. thank you so much. This has been a joy and hey, we're all in this together, right? We're all creatives and we will persevere.

HDco (57:26.23)
right. Well as always stay curious and keep dreaming.

Naila (57:30.542)
We will see you in the future.